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Islamic "Tolerance" Of Other Religions

December 24, 2011
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Islamic "Tolerance" Of Other Religions
If Egyptian Coptic Christians are lucky, the Muslims around them will tolerate letting them live. Lucette Lagnado writes in the WSJ:

Kirolos Andraws had every reason to be excited about the January uprising in his native Egypt, figuring democracy would bring hope for young people like him. Copts Seek Asylum in America

Then one day in February, says Mr. Andraws, a gang of thugs beat him and told him, "you deserve to die." His offense, he says: refusing to convert to Islam.

In late March, Mr. Andraws, a 23-year- old engineer, used a tourist visa to board an Egyptair flight for New York City. He let a room in a friend's apartment, hired an immigration lawyer and applied for asylum. He has survived mainly on wages and tips from jobs as a cook, cashier and delivery man.

"I have no other option," says Mr. Andraws, who found refuge at a Queens church that's become a way station for Copts arriving in New York.

Mr. Andraws is one of thousands of Coptic Christians--followers of an ancient form of Christianity with its own language and rituals--who have come to the U.S. to escape rising persecution in Egypt.

For decades Copts have suffered attacks by Islamists who view them as "kafir"--Arabic for nonbelievers. But there is now a sense among Middle East experts that they have become more vulnerable since the revolution.

St George's Coptic Orthodox Church in Brooklyn, NY, has seen a dramatic influx of Coptic Christian refugees from Egypt since the overthrow of President Mubarak. Father Luke Awad does what he can to make them welcome. Photo: Gabriele Stabile/Cesuralab

This year, mobs have looted and attacked Coptic churches, homes and shops throughout Egypt. Churches have been burned down, and one Copt had his ear cut off by a Muslim cleric invoking Islamic law.

This is why any country becoming a Muslim majority country is a thing to be feared -- especially for people of other religions, apostates (who are to be slaughtered under Islam), gays, lesbians, and women. Is there anyone here who doesn't understand why fearing that is not "Islamophobia," but a very real thing to worry about?

More on the myth that religious minorities flourish under Islam, from the religionofpeace.com:

What Muslims call "tolerance," others correctly identify as institutionalized discrimination. The consignment of Jews and Christians to dhimmis under Islamic rule means that they are not allowed the same religious rights and freedoms as Muslims. They cannot share their faith, for example, or build houses of worship without permission.

...For those who are not "the People of the Book," such as Hindus and atheists, there is very little tolerance to be found once Islam establishes political superiority. The Quran tells Muslims to "fight in the way of Allah" until "religion is only for Allah." The conquered populations face death if they do not establish regular prayer and charity in the Islamic tradition (ie. the pillars of Islam).

Tamerlane and other Muslim warriors slaughtered tens of millions of Hindus and Buddhists, and displaced or forcibly converted millions more over the last thousand years. Islamists in Somalia behead Christians. In Iran, they are jailed.

One of the great ironies of Islam is that non-Muslims are to be treated according to the very standards by which Muslims themselves would claim the right to violent self-defense were the shoe on the other foot. Islam is its own justification. Most Muslims therefore feel no need to explain the ingrained arrogance and double standard.

There are about 500 verses in the Quran that speak of Allah's hatred for non-Muslims and the punishment that he has prepared for their unbelief. There is also a tiny handful that say otherwise, but these are mostly earlier verses that many scholars consider to be abrogated by the later, more violent ones.

As for Sura 109, any true Quran scholar will point out that the purpose of the verse was to distinguish Islam from the gods of the Quraysh (one of which was named "Allah") rather than to advocate religious tolerance for non-Muslims. At the time that he narrated this very early verse, Muhammad did not have any power, and thus no choice but to be "tolerant" of others. By contrast, there was no true tolerance shown when he returned to Mecca with power many years later and demanded the eviction or death of anyone who would not convert to Islam. In fact, he physically destroyed the cherished idols of the people to whom he had previously addressed in Sura 109.

If tolerance simply means discouraging the mass slaughter of those of a different faith, then today's Islam generally meets this standard more often than not. But, if tolerance means allowing people of other faiths the same religious liberties that Muslims enjoy, then Islam is fundamentally the most intolerant religion under the sun.


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  • Anonymous

    Some of the negative attitudes stem from the superior and oppressive attitude shown by Christians and Jews when they were in power and others from narrow minded scholars and individuals that take advantage of the situation for their own selfish and intolerant attitudes. The writer shows that he will use every means to depict  Muslims and Islam as intolerant and to show the Prophet in a negative way and distorting history. In this way, he violates Christian ethics and promotes the hatred and violence that he rightly despises.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_2POHNZUL2GTQXK6BPBGSNVVOSI m

      Have you read the Quran?  

      • Anonymous

        Have you read the bible? Believers and unbelievers come to different conclusions reading the same text and whose words they are and whether or how they are to be applied or whether they are practical or relevant for modern man.

        • http://profiles.google.com/gig.searle Gig Searle

          Yes, and a number of other religious books. Almost all are violent, some present violence as history others as rules of life.
          What is your point?
          “It is ok to be violent as long as I can point to someone else who is even more violent?”

          How about:
          “Bible-people no longer burn witches or stone people.Koran-readers should stop now too. “

        • Dragomir Collaric

          Well MuuHammel in his klooran claimed that HIS “stoned-gawd” allah is the source of all “religious” text known to mankind,  this of course includes the Old & New Testaments. So anybody who dislikes what is in the OT should take it up with allah….

    • Hannah Lieder

      Just because Islam is criticized and you don’t like it doesn’t mean the criticism is false.  Sorry Ameer, but Islam is intolerant of non-Muslims.  Christians are not instructed to be nice but to be truthful. If telling the truth about Islam makes you think Christians are promoting hatred and violence, you’ve got a problem with logical argument.  The West is what it is because of the Judeo-Christian belief in truth, freedom, democracy, human rights, and equality.  Forced adherence to religious morals doesn’t work; consider the abortion debacle.  Yet Islam’s solution is always Sharia, or forced Islamic morality, and with Sharia comes codified discrimination of non-muslims, draconian legal punishments, death penalty for apostates, forced adherence to Islam dress codes, and more.  If Islam was so wonderful, Islamic countries would be wonderful, but instead they are hell-holes that everyone is trying to leave.  

    • http://profiles.google.com/gig.searle Gig Searle

      Since I am not a christian, I need not worry about any fictional  ethics with regard to islam.

      Read the Koran, present arguments – backed by proof – of how the author distorts history.
      Quote these ‘narrow minded’ scholars, and lay down your facts showing why they are wrong.

      We non-muslims are tired of baseless complaints, discussion and debate may change our minds, but you need to do this with facts – not accusations. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/W74MDIVCYKX57UJLVRLI5YRUTI BoaterBob

      Recently a couple of US soldiers were killed by “tolerant” muslims in Afganastan because someone else burned a koran.  Every time someone publically critizes Islam, some idiot “tolerant” muslim kills someone just to prove how tolerant he is.

  • BayouCoyote

    kafir”–Arabic for nonbelievers

    That’s a very nice description for the PC MC crowd but there is nothing more vile to the koranimals than a kafir.. The penalty is death for rejecting the drivel scribbled by the interpreters of evil lunatic named mohamud.

  • https://me.yahoo.com/a/LbtNUC1r09ApInNMdrdxEefZXaJN#a5074 ecks_why@yahoo.com

    informed rational freedom loving people have all the reasons in the world to fear islam…

    the twin fogs of political correctness & ignorance must be dispersed before western society better understands this menace.  even a brief review of islamic theology & history quickly exposes the deadly roots of this evil ideology.

    Mohamhead was a 7th century murdering warlord who rose to power on a river of blood surrounded by thugs and gangsters using intimidation, violence, deception and trickery to expand their criminal empire while mercilessly suppressing and killing their opponents and enriching themselves on stolen booty.

    The evil koran is a collection of sayings and speeches by this diabolical madman claiming divine guidance from some mythical sky-god which has inspired generations of crazed fanatics to abhorrent behavior resulting in historys worst ever crimes against humanity starting 1400 years ago and still continuing even today.

    Islam is just another fascist totalitarian ideology used by power hungry fanatics on yet another quest for worldwide domination and includes all the usual human rights abuses & suppression of freedoms.

    and a snappy graphics version, great for emailing…

    http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/1479/dangermoko.jpg

Reader discretion is advised. This ain't the sisterhood of the traveling pants. Buy the book now on Amazon.com. Or listen to Ronnie tell a story at escaping-from-reality.com.


 

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